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New York DEC Comment Period Coming to An End…Again

2013 January 2

Joe MassaroRachaelJoe Massaro and Rachael Colley
Field Directors

 

The New York DEC is once again receiving public comments in the process of completing its SGEIS process on high volume hydraulic fracturing, this time on the proposed regulations themselves, which will generally govern natural gas development in the state.  The DEC missed a November 29 deadline to make a decision, forcing the opening up of the new comment period but this time the comments are coming in at a somewhat slower pace than we saw in 2011 on the SGEIS itself.  The comments aren’t particularly good either.

We’ve entered another year, and with it are halfway through another New York Department of Environmental Conservation  (DEC) comment period related to regulations governing natural gas development being pursued in conjunction with the draft Supplemental Generic Environmental Impact Statement (SGEIS).  The SGEIS is an assessment of the environmental impact of the proposed new regulations on hydraulic fracturing and this time the comments are being solicited on the regulations themselves. These regulations will govern the most important aspects of shale gas development in the Empire State. There is a sense of Deja Vu given DEC missed an important November 29 deadline, and thus had to hold another comment period. This one will last 30 days.

Comments have been rolling in since the comment period began on December 12, but not nearly at the pace last time around when tens of thousands of comments were submitted (recognizing the majority were form letters). So far the DEC has only received just over 800 comments  according to NGI’s Shale Daily:

DEC spokeswoman Lisa King told NGI’s Shale Daily on Monday that the agency has so far received 837 comments. Of those, 447 were submitted by mail and 390 were received online. But that total is well short of the record 20,800 responses the agency received during the last public comment period for HVHF, which began in September 2011 and ended in January 2012 (see Shale Daily, Jan. 12, 2012; Sept. 29, 2011).

The current 30-day public comment period began Dec. 12 and is scheduled to conclude at 5 p.m. EST on Jan. 11 (see Shale Daily, Dec. 12, 2012). It started shortly after the DEC released 90 pages of documents outlining its proposals, which include a ban on drilling with HVHF within the New York City and Syracuse watersheds, an adjacent 4,000-foot buffer zone, and within 500 feet of private drinking water wells (see Shale Daily, Dec. 3, 2012).

The article also describes actions by some elected officials to increase the time period for the comment period to a total of 90 days (emphasis added):

Meanwhile, 37 elected officials added their signatures to a letter written by an anti-fracking group to Gov. Andrew Cuomo, urging him to unilaterally extend the public comment period at least another 60 days, for a total of at least 90 days.

In a Dec. 21 letter to Cuomo, the group Elected Officials to Protect New York (EOPNY) argued that a 30-day public comment period was insufficient.

‘While these revised rules are designed in part to protect local governments from the impacts of fracking…most local governments will be unable to respond at all to these critical regulations,’ EOPNY said. ‘Many municipalities do not even meet between now and Jan. 11. Such a short comment period, especially during a period of major religious and national holidays, is inadequate for any reasonable public review of such extensive regulations.’

Last month, three key lawmakers — New York State Assemblymen Richard Gottfried (D-Manhattan), Robert Sweeney (D-Lindenhurst) and Charles Lavine (D-Glen Cove) — made a similar appeal to DEC Commissioner Joseph Martens, but they asked for the public comment period to be extended to 60 days total. The three had not signed the most recent EOPNY letter.

A series of delays in the environmental review has kept a moratorium on HVHF in place since 2008 (see Daily GPI, July 28, 2008).

1d80302e321653a702ca6f3454fa1fa5Sure, to people against natural gas, 37 elected officials signing on sounds great but when you examine the numbers of governments in New York the number of signatures quickly becomes very small.. There are 932 towns, 62 cities, and 62 counties (plus the 5 counties/boroughs in New York City, totaling 67) in New York State. A grand total of 37 isn’t nearly so statistically impressive when put into perspective.

What’s more is the notion that 30 days is not an ample time period to make comments. Not only did the DEC release a shortened 90 page version of the SGEIS, but the document in its entirety has been available for well over a year. Comments made today will not have substantially changed from 2011. It is merely a tactic to continue to delay the approval of permits for natural gas development in New York. As the article notes, New York has been working on this effort since 2008. The state is entering its 5th year of a moratorium and there have been more than enough delays.

Let’s take a moment to look at the comments that have come in, and a few we can expect to be submitted on January 11.

Barth Continues to Miss Economic Impacts in PA/Potential Impacts in NY

Dr. Janette Barth refers to herself as an “independent economist”, however in doing so she fails to mention her association with the group Catskill Citizens for Safe Energy.  Barth is not an independent economist, she is an advocate against the development of natural gas.  It’s not that she is against these regulations, she is against the entire natural gas development process and someone that would only be happy if it were never brought into New York.  This is easily noticed in the comments she provided on December 28, 2012:

For example, Freudenberg and Wilson [1] studied non-­‐metropolitan regions and concluded, the areas of the United States having the highest levels of long-­‐term poverty tend to be found in the very places that were once the site of thriving extractive industries.

Comments like these beg DEC not to consider them as they are extremely broad.  Barth continues showing her bias in previous comments:

“This ignores much research that has been submitted in the past to the DEC, including research by Headwaters Economics [2] that shows that “counties that were not focused on fossil fuel extraction as an economic development strategy experienced higher growth rates, more diverse economies, better educated populations, a smaller gap between high and low income households and more retirement and investment income.”

With Barth’s extensive work as an advocate against the development of shale gas she has cited work done by other Headwaters Economics who themselves are a firm that has undertaken notable actions against fossil fuels.  Much like Barth, this firm proclaims to be independent but when we examine its funders we notice two organizations. One is the Bullitt Foundation, which has given Headwaters Economics $25,000 while also giving extensively to anti- natural gas groups such as American Rivers, EarthJustice and Earthworks, along with the Tides Foundation.  The other is the  V. Kann Rasmussen Foundation, which also funds Tides and groups such as 350.0rg, headed by Bill McKibben, a noted anti-gas activist who has teamed with Josh Fox to fight natural gas development.  Barth constantly pulls “facts” and studies from organizations bent on keeping this process out of New York and they wish, everywhere else.

Barth is an activist first and a concerned New Yorker second.  With the economic situation of New York’s Southern Tier worsening by the day, getting sound regulations that both sides of this argument can agree on should be a priority.  Barth has taken the stance of someone who will never be happy unless it just doesn’t happen at all.

Last Day Submissions Still to Come

Barth isn’t the only one planning to submit comments. The past few weeks natural gas activists have been signing 13 pre-written letters to, once again, flood the DEC with comments on the dSGEIS and  make it appear their view is the majority.  We know this is not the case in New York for several reasons, one being election results this past November where those in favor of development were elected, or re-elected, by a landslide in areas where it might actually occur. The people against natural gas development can play with the numbers as much as they want, it still doesn’t change statistics and facts. There are over 19 million people in New York, and many of them want to see natural gas development in the state.  This much is noticeable in poll after poll which continue to show pluralities supporting natural gas development in New York.

Nonetheless, while the comment period rolls on, the DEC can expect to receive the same 13 letters for a few hundred people courtesy of the Catskill Mountainkeeper  and its friends.  According to one post on Gasland’s Facebook, they plan to:

“bury Albany in a blizzard of paper on January 11th”

So much for saving the environment one tree at a time.

The group is asking everyone to sign all 13 letters and submit them in one giant package. But you can’t read through letters 2-13 until you sign and submit letter number one, so even if a person doesn’t agree with one letter and wants to submit the form for another point, they can’t. Guess that’s one way of guaranteeing you get each person to sign each letter.

That being said, we can only look at the first letter, as we’re not going to sign the form just to see the rest. Here’s what’s being submitted:

Draft HVHF Regulations Comments

RE:CONFLICT OF INTEREST  (SECTIONS 550.1 AND 550.2)

These sections give the Division of Mineral Resources and its director responsibility for administering and enforcing all rules and regulations relevant to all phases of oil and gas extraction.  Giving the division the job of preventing damage and pollution from the very activity it promotes means that, for all intents and purposes, New York State will not have autonomous regulatory oversight over gas drilling. This regulatory structure is rare in the U.S., and for good reason. New York State should, like most states, have separate agencies to handle well permitting and regulation of the oil and gas industry. Failing to separate these functions undermines the DEC’s effectiveness and credibility as an environmental protection agency and raises serious questions about its actual mission.

Giving one division of the department as a whole the oversight to regulate the natural gas industry in no way takes away from its credibility. The Department of Environmental Conservation and the Division of Mineral Resources are experts in the topic with a long history of regulating and have the resources to hire the people who are equipped to answer the scientific questions. From their website:

The Division of Mineral Resources is responsible for ensuring the environmentally sound, economic development of New York’s non-renewable energy and mineral resources for the benefit of current and future generations. To carry out this mission, we regulate the extraction of oil and gas, and require the reclamation of land after mining.

More than 70,000 wells have been drilled in New York for oil, gas and solution salt extraction, geothermal, brine disposal and underground gas storage. Computerized records exist on more than 34,000 wells, of which about 14,000 are active. The division also has files on roughly 4,800 mines permitted since 1975, of which approximately 2,500 are active.

What a waste of paper to say the division that has been overseeing gas development isn’t equipped to continue to do so. It’s just another delay tactic to wait until the very last day and flood the department with comments, form letters really, in the hopes of further putting off  natural gas development. But natural gas development will continue in New York, as it has since the 1800s, regulated by the department and division with a proven record of protecting the state’s environment. The time for bending to these tactics is over, just as the comment period almost is. It’s a new year and it’s time to make a decision.

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12 Responses
  1. Ariel permalink
    January 2, 2013

    To be completely accurate, the comment period is on the revised regulations, NOT the SGEIS. That comment period closed last year.

    • Tom Shepstone permalink
      January 2, 2013

      Yes. However, the whole process is intertwined at this point in the public mind.

      • Ariel permalink
        January 2, 2013

        True, but by presenting it this way, EID is expanding the scope of the comments, and falling into the public “trap” to allow expanded comments on the SGEIS. This is not about the environmental impacts, only about whether the revised regulations are adequate under the State Administrative Procedures Act. Industry position has been, inter alia, that DEC has not adequately addressed the impact of the regulations on small businesses, but rather, has dismissed that any small business is involved in natural gas exploration. That is plainly not true.

        In addition, the revised regulations increase the setbacks in certain instances, and in what is most troubling to me, changes the definition of the 100 year floodplain from reference to the FEMA maps, to the FEMA definition of the 100 year floodplain, which gives DEC additional ammunition to determine, in its sole discretion, whether an area qualifies as being within a 100 year floodplain.

        It is these kinds of issues in the revised regulations, not the SGEIS per se, which should be the focus of the post and the public comments.

        Just my two cents.

        Ariel

        • Tom Shepstone permalink
          January 2, 2013

          Good observations.

          • Ariel permalink
            January 3, 2013

            Thanks Tom, I see the caption of the post has been amended. I appreciate it!

            • Tom Shepstone permalink
              January 3, 2013

              The thanks is all ours for your attention to detail!

  2. Observer permalink
    January 2, 2013

    I RECIEVED AN E-MAIL FROM NORTHEAST INITITIVE THAT REQUESTED ON MY FACEBOOK ME TO FILL OUT A COMMENT ON TWO SECTIONS OF THE REGULATIONS WHICH I DID. WILL IT GO TO THE DEC.. DOUBT IT!!!

    BECAUSE THEY WERE COMMENTS SUPPORTING NATURAL GAS AND THE LINK PROVIDED TO COMMENT DID NOT CONFIRM THAT IT WAS RECEIVED BY THE DEC…

    SO I AM 95 PERCENT POSITIVE THAT LIKE THERE 3 X 5 QUESTIONIARE CARDS THEY USE AT THEIR MEETINGS TO CONTROL THE RESPONSES LIKE IN CUBA THEY WILL BE WEEDED OUT.

    I WAS ALSO INFORMED THAT THEY HAVE 40,000 COMMENTS TO TURN IN TOO ALBANY AND COUNTING… NOT JUST FROM NY BUT FROM ALL OF THE 10 TOP PRODUCING OPEC NATIONS.

    AFTER I SUBMITTED MY COMMENT ON THEIR FORM I WAS DIRECTED TO REVISIT & RECOMMENT OFTEN

    AND TO ADD TO THE COUNT… COPY THE ONLINE COMMENTS TO MY PRINTER AND MAIL THEM IN. DELAY DELAY DELAY IS THE MESSAGE. ONE MEMBER EVEN WROTE TO ME “I KNOW DRILLING IS COMING BUT THE LONGER WE DELAY IT THE MORE MONEY WE WILL RAISE. AND THE CALL US GREEDY LAND OWNERS ???

  3. Joanne Corey permalink
    January 2, 2013

    This post is very confusing. It would have been more helpful to be clear that it is not the SGEIS comment period that is open, but a revised draft of the regulations. Granted, the first comment period of the regs coincided with the 2011 draft SGEIS comment period, but now the SGEIS is not open for comment but has not yet been adopted either. It’s hard to comment on how well the regulations implement and mitigate the effects in the SGEIS when you don’t have the final SGEIS to work from. The DEC also says it won’t finalize the regs until after the SGEIS is finalized. Can the DEC finalize the SGEIS, including the health review, and review thousands of comments on the regs, and finalize the regs in response by the end of February?

  4. Landrefugee aka victor furman permalink
    January 3, 2013

    time and time again when you try to discuss on the anti blogs they don’t like what you say they block you see below and tell me why I deserved to be blocked Wendy ???

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    Debbie Lambert has replied to your comment on “FROM THE FRONTLINES” Carol French, Bradford Co, PA

    landrefugee 2 hours ago

    bitter that others got 5-8000 dollars an acre. Signed a contract that only a lawyer could understand without getting a lawyer. if it smells like sewage it is sewage. All goverment agencies are in the pockets of oil & gas according to you extreme socialist. I let my daughter drink white water she got sick two weeks later… hmmmmmm. I don’t believe this testimoni because if it were true the media would have reported this on abc, cnn, nbc … just anti propaganda

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    Debbie Lambert 1 hour ago

    There’s nothing bitter when it comes to the difference between money and the health of people you love. You can go on thinking that, but it’s not true.

    Reply · in reply to landrefugee

    You have been blocked by the owner of this video.

    Sorry Debbie but I am not a money hungry landowner. I have become cold to these Video’s because of the postings of every little thing that happens in the industry is targeted by the anti extremist. Even from other countries. Then when you look into them yuo see the state agencies in 9 out of 10 cases say the complaint was pre-exsisting or non related to fracking. I have asked hundreds of times for scietific proof of these accusations and never got even proof of one. Including Dimock PA

  5. DeeDee Halleck permalink
    January 5, 2013

    How Orwellian– that the department that is supposed to “conserve the environment” becomes the biggest proponent of industrializing and polluting our land.

    • Tom Shepstone permalink
      January 5, 2013

      So say you but the facts say otherwise.

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