The Missing Sautner Video – A New Watergate?
There is something very strange going on along Carter Road, in Dimock, Pennsylvania, and I’m not speaking of natural gas, methane migration, contamination, litigation or even the extensive water testing there by the EPA and others. No, I’m talking about a new “Watergate” conspiracy, complete with 18 minutes of missing tape (well, video, actually).
It seems the ever-present Green Party member and naturist Vera Scroggins (a/k/a Vera Duerga) has posted a video of Craig Sautner meeting with the EPA. Mysteriously, the video is but 14 seconds in length, cutting off conversation in what is obviously mid-stream. It raises a question Craig Sautner, like Ronald Reagan in Kings Row, might have asked, “Where’s the rest of me?’ Carter Road, isn’t Kings Row, of course, (at least not until you arrive at the mansion Scott Ely, one of the Dimock litigants, is building with his royalty money), but there appears to be a whole lot of film editing going on there to fit the movie script.
So, what about that video? Well, here it is, all 14 seconds of it (let’s hope Vera doesn’t take it down):
Notice the rising anger?
Notice the look on the woman’s face, like she’s seen this before and knows what’s coming?
Notice the tone of the EPA official, like he, too, has been down this road before?
Notice how the video just stops, dead, at the point when Craig is obviously going to say much, much more?
If you did notice these things, you weren’t the first, as comments made on this YouTube site indicate.
Comment:
Vera I don’t begrudge anybody. I hope all those who have affects from drilling are made whole. I know several people who have suffered. But you obviously taped a lot more than 14 seconds of this meeting. There is a reason the EPA guy wouldn’t drink the water & you censored his response. This kind bias does no one any good. You only weaken the case for those who have suffered damage from the drilling by tarnishing their truth with your half truths. Tell the whole truth or none at all.
What Vera Has to Say After Being Challenged to Show Full Video:
I’m not afraid. I can show it at some point; the Sautners get very upset upon hearing what the EPA has to say and not ready to show all this upset to the public. Want some privacy. have to wait for their permission. Imagine anyone’s frustration and upset dealing with government agencies and industry and wanting their water fixed and clean again after years of struggle. It’s a horrific, nightmarish thing to go through. No one can fully understand the pain of this unless you experience it.
It appears the Sautners might have said some things they’d rather not have the public know, doesn’t it? They’re more than willing to shed their privacy to challenge Cabot, DEP, EPA and all the other folks who have investigated and found their water to be safe. The phrase “Craig Sautner, Dimock” generates 28,100 pages on Google but, suddenly, the world is supposed to respect their privacy so they can tell but half the story? It’s a bit like the brown water they carry around in that jug – effective as long as it’s not tested – isn’t it? We’ve heard more than a few complaints from the Sautners about Cabot “not telling the whole story” but it seems that complaint should be directed to the mirror on their wall and, perhaps, Vera Scroggins. What’s good for the goose …
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Those who have a weak position like to demonize and thrown stones at people who protest and speak out and stand up for the truth. This country is built on freedom of speech and freedom to protest and resist what one believes is an injustice and untruth. So, imput bad motives to us all you want, but the Truth will prevail. If you have the Truth , you don’t have to malign others and twist words and situations to make them look worse.
By the way, another methane , emission stack was put up today in Franklin Forks in front of the country store, “Heavenly Angels”.
Vera, as someone whose name means “true” you should realize the truth is not facilitated by telling half the story. Show the rest of the video and what Craig said, what the EPA said.
MISSING VIDEO FOUND!
01/13/12 – Craig Sautner, et. al, go to EPA Offices to BEG FOR HELP;
01/23/12 – EPA comes to Dimock to test the Sautner household water;
04/18/12 – EPA goes to Sautner home to explain the GOOD NEWS – THE WATER IS SAFE.
Craig Sautner calls the EPA “A BUNCH OF LIARS!”
See it all right here: http://dimockproud.com/videos/dimock-family-says-epa-reps-are-a-bunch-of-liars/
WE ARE DIMOCK PROUD – THERE’S NO WATERGATE HERE IN DIMOCK!
Tom… your a crackpot! do we bother you? the truth will prevail ***belive me!
Julie, just tell Vera to show the rest of the video and that will do it, won’t it?
bits and pieces Tom… that’s all these anti’s ever have
Vic,
You and I are old enough to remember the Dave Clark Five’s song by that name. The last stanza went like this:
(I’m in pieces, bits and pieces)
Now you’ve gone and I’m all alone
(I’m in pieces, bits and pieces)
And you’re still way up there on your throne
(I’m in pieces, bits and pieces)
Nothin’ seems to ever go right
(I’m in pieces, bits and pieces)
‘Cause night is day and day is night
Seems about right, doesn’t it?
Tom, How dare someone only tell half truths. Your honest, altruistic and elevated ethics have again revealed a sordid conspiracy by those no good rich people that only care about themselves and their second homes. You are a shining star in the community!
NOT.
Well, there are a lot of “rich people that only care about themselves and their second homes” when it comes to natural gas development the region desperately needs but I never said they were “no good” and what in the world any of that has to do with this story is beyond me. Bill captured it pretty well, however, in this story:
http://eidmarcellus.org/marcellus-shale/serfdom-coming-to-a-town-near-you/7099/
As long as we’re subpoenaing things, how about “The Dimock E-Mails” (between your Enough Already buddies and EPA, similar to those ones from Pavilion, Wyoming).
Dimock Proud sets its own agenda, Tom, and if you have any doubt about that I suggest you talk to Ann Van Lenten or read her post on this site, our most popular post of all time:
http://eidmarcellus.org/blog/dimock-the-full-story/5562/
It was out of that post that Dimock Proud was born, as friends rallied to her story. We are proud to have given her a platform on our site and to call her and the members of Dimock Proud our friends, because our views happen to coincide most of the time.
Regardless, that’s not the issue here. What is at issue is the fact Vera is only telling half the story, refusing to show how Craig acted or what the EPA said.
Wow; a purporting-to-represent-my-county outfit started by a couple that’s been IN my county for almost as many years as Victoria Switzer!
LENOXVILLE PROUD, on the other hand (where we picked the RIGHT company – SWN – and DON’T busybody against our neighbors having water), FORGOT more about how things are done in Susquehanna County in the few decades that IT’s been in it including BEFORE 2003 than what the Grimsleys have learned since their 2003 arrival.
Dimock Proud includes many residents who have lived in the area their entire lives. Moreover, Jim and Ann are phenomenal people doing a phenomenal job and are viewed as leaders by their neighbors. Nevertheless, I’m thrilled you’re thrilled with SWN. They are a good company and so is Cabot.
I have a water well in the southern tiern NY, no oil an gas drilling in our state. Guess what, I wont drink my water. I will bath, wash my hands and use it without reservation. But I wont drink it. Sediment and a lack of confidence in it. Must be Cabot Oil and Gas’s fault.
It just has to be!
“Vera I don’t begrudge anybody. I hope all those who have affects from drilling are made whole. I know several people who have suffered. But you obviously taped a lot more than 14 seconds of this meeting. There is a reason the EPA guy wouldn’t drink the water & you censored his response. This kind bias does no one any good. You only weaken the case for those who have suffered damage from the drilling by tarnishing their truth with your half truths. Tell the whole truth or none at all.”
This comment kind of sums it up. I am amazed at the lies these people get caught in everyday and yet people still follow?
This will be like the Y2k garbage and fear campaign. People will remember those that blindly followed. The comments will probably flow like this. Hey isn’t that JoJo the guy that bit hook line and sinker on that fracking fear scam? Yes I bet he still has boxes of can goods still left over from y2k in his basement too.
Maybe someday the headline will read NY falls pray to Park funded media scam, the damage to jobs and revenue has taken from a generation.
How about someone post a copy of the homeowner disclosure statement. Isn’t it public record?
Tom, will EID post the EPA test results here? I’m willing to bet if people see them they will prob. be able to make a good guess.
We are waiting for the final results on the remaining wells, which should be released shortly.
those that have ‘suffered’ Bryant have been made more than whole!
they get ALL of these:
to keep their home
cash in an amount twice the assessed value of their home
a water filtration system to ‘remediate’ a methane problem which pre-existed their home
lots of attention from the press and celebrities
well, I guess they REALLY haven’t been made whole…
they still have that hole in theirs heads
Until you walk in someone’s shoes, you will not know all or understand what they
are going through or what is happening for them… I am watching all the assumptions
and imaginings of what is in the rest of the video and what has happened to the people
with water problems….
Well then, show everyone where they are wrong.
Vera darling…..nice old cliche. However before you can think about walking a mile in those moccasins it would help if you are grounded. You have become anesthetized and are suffering from tunnel vision; you are obsessed.
So here is a cliche that might help: Sometime you can’t see the forest for the tree’s.
It’s so nice of Vera to respect the Sautner’s privacy after helping them to become a public household name. Why then, does she not respect the privacy of other landowners when it comes to giving tours to non-residents and non-American citizens.
The venting stack placed in Franklin Forks at Heavenly Angels was for preventative measures. Historically, most houses in Franklin Forks that have wells (not spring fed water sources) have been vented at one time by the landowner themselves (very ingeniously I might add).
Great comment!
It’s just a coincidence that all these people have water problems now that is occurring naturally????? All these years their water came out of their faucet like brown sludge and we never heard about it??? It would have been the talk of the town. And to state someone is building a house with their royalty money, how do they know that for a fact???? These articles that are written, where do they get their facts?
We have consistently sourced our statements on pre-existing water problems in Dimock. See http://eidmarcellus.org/blog/usgs-study-finds-groundwater-contamination-due-to-natural-phenomena/3635/, for example. Also, it’s a fact Scott Ely is building a mansion (it’s visible from the public road and has been featured on websites). Finally, it’s a fact Scott Ely receives royalties – he has complained they are declining. See http://www.gasdrillingtechnotes.org/uploads/7/5/7/4/7574658/final_final_final_complaint.pdf.
it’s not a sin to build a large home and Scott Ely owns land and inherited land from his Dad and his wife is a Dentist and he is doing most of the work on his home himself. And we have documents , predrill tests from Cabot that shows no preexisting problems or methane
in the water and can show that to anyone. The gas companies have their propaganda and travel from town to town with the same story if any concerns, complaints , problems come up and say it’s pre-existing and was always bad or a problem. They are doing the same in Franklin Forks and the truth will come out. Would you rather believe the corporation that came into town to make a profit or your own neighbors?
Well, how about sending along that data, Vera? Let’s see it. I promise you we’ll publish it.
I have to get a copy and scan it and send it— can I scan a document and send it to you? not sure how in this comment format–
Send it to me at tom@eidmarcellus.org and, if appropriate, I’ll upload and put a link up.
I assume that by “if appropriate”, you mean that you’ll put it up only “if” there’s at least one tidbit in it that can be embellished to help Enough Already’s spin. Therefore, I suggest that Vera send it to Brian Oram instead. He handles things in an unbiased manner unlike you.
The left posing as doing good for the people of this country are doing more to tear it down. Will someone please explain how we can lessen our demand on foreign oil and keep this country strong and capable of supporting itself? As someone in the energy field (electric power generation) for 30 years I know wind turbines and solar panels and not the answer. Like it or not “drill-baby-drill” is the answer until the left finishes creating & manufacturing the perpetual motion machine.
Vera has no such document Tom… she’s already making excuses why you won’t get it
Hey Tom…the rest of the Video is up on my FB page…have fun with it I know you will, someday you will answer for all you do
I very much appreciate the comments on the newly posted video. Not only are individuals identified improperly (ATSDR is a federal agency, not a state one) but also it shows just how little whoever was editing this video knows about water quality, testing and contamination.
What is this that Dimock Proud has stolen this video and edited it in a distorted manner?
It’s hard to “steal” something available for download to the general public on the Internet.
Then why is this posted on the Dimock Proud site?
Dimock Family Member Says EPA Reps Are A Bunch Of Liars!
Video temporarily removed due to comment below.
Lisa Barr says:
May 10, 2012 at 2:06 pm
The COMPLETE video is HERE–within a link in this article: http://www.hegemonicseam.blogspot.com/2012/05/epa-to-frack-victims-drop-dead.html. But on the video posting on vimeo, It CLEARLY stated fair use BY PERMISSION ONLY. You did NOT have permission from me to use this video. Nor did you have my permission to create a derivative product. You are violating my copyright license. You are also greatly distorting what happened. CEASE and DESIST all use of my work product.
As the video explains, the EPA RAISED ITS DETECT LEVELS for the contaminants in question. They SAY they raised the detect levels to give the water the ‘all clear’ because of “LAB CONTAMINANTS: and/or ‘CONTAMINATED FIELD SAMPLES’—YOU HAVE LIBELED THE SAUNTERS AND VIOLATED MY COPYRIGHT. CEASE AND DESIST. You are also mean. Lisa Barr
Suffice it to say, this comment speaks for itself and pretty much says it all.
Very curious as to who ownes the water well these people (litigants)claim doesn’t work or has issues in the video. Since numerous statements have been made about it I’m guessing these people have some sort of proof to back up their claims. I challenge them to show what if any proof they have right here and right now. Post it on this page for everyone to see. In simple terms Put Up or ShutUp!!!!
I can’t believe the people of Dimock are not standing up for these familes. I guess it’s true, they just want the drilling to resume to get their share $$$. What happened to neighbors helping neighbors? How can it be a coincidence that all these people have water problems now that is occurring naturally?? I would react exactly how they did, no I would be worse. I visited one of the families many times whose water was like pure spring water before Cabot. They did not have one problem with their water. It’s brown sludge now. I wouldn’t use it to flush my toilet. DEP declared Cabot contaminated it with their faulty cement, what happened to that statement? You people that are not standing up for your neighbors that have water problems now, better pray that your water doesn’t get contaminated when drilling resumes. If it does you better keep your mouth shut or the turncoats will be after you also.
That is insane. How can they raise the detect levels of chemicals because they found contamination which was caused by their own testing? Think they better get professionals in there to do the testing that won’t contaminate their own work. EPA now looks like a big joke. Political, no question about it.
For Dimock Proud to edit that video is really going low. How can you be proud of that???
Why don’t all the people that don’t agree with these families load up on their water, take it home to your families. Drink it, use it for 6 months. Any volunteers????? Yes, I agree, Put Up.
“I’ve looked at all your historical data, all the way back to 2008, and other than some bacteria, that seemed to be somewhat persistent early on we didn’t see anything in there that raised any alarms in our eyes.”
then come and drink it and bring your babies and children and grandparents to drink it; fill up your jugs at the wells and take it home; it’ll be free and let us know how you like it !
There should be a good supply of already bottled water in the Sautner garage. Cabot supplied them with a pile of it. Doesn’t look the Sautners need it.
shows how little you know , Tom and how you spread “half-truths”:
the Cabot bottled water is long gone; the water in the garage is water given, donated by
caring people outside of Dimock and usually outside of our county and State. When I give tours, I ask the people to bring bottled water to donate to the families that
need it, since their own neighbors won’t help them… and
groups and individuals in NY , especially, donate water to help . It’s being stored
at Sautners for distribution.
Agree with you , PG PG: the water has changed, is changed since drilling . It’s amazing to me how people turn a blind eye to helping their neighbors with bad water when they have the money dangled in front of them. The lust for and the love of money is truly an evil. Dimock , as our whole county , many, have falled in lust for money and the prospect of it. The future for us is truly dim since this industry has come in.
The facts are the facts, Vera. There is no contamination in Dimock, just as Loren Salsman said months ago on this blog. http://eidmarcellus.org/blog/i-know-contamination-and-theres-none-in-dimock/2890/
sorry, we disagree on what is a “fact” and what is “contamination”. The EPA did not use the word “contamination” . They wrote that the water is not a “health concern”.
There is a difference of meaning in those choice of words !
Oh, come on, Vera. You sais Cabot was wrong. Then you said DEP was wrong. Now you say EPA is wrong. Your credibility on this issue is exhausted.
I’m not saying they are “wrong”– their information is limited and in compliance with standards that need updating for cumulative affects and long-term health studies.
My credibility may be exhausted for you , but it stands strong with others
on the same page as I am.
OK, then!
What happened to my comment? It was taken off?
It’s still there!
I see Vera and her new so called friends haven’t taken on my challenge. I guess they actually have no proof of the claims they have made. Since they can’t back up anything they have said maybe they should retract the statements. If you have proof that peoples water and wells are bad then you should show it. Since you have no such proof you people have been caught in yet another lie in a along list of them. It’s just disgusting what you people will do for money and fame. You talk of greed yet you are the ones who are greedy. You’ve made so many statements that make the people and town of Dimock look and sound bad. Yet you people are the ones who truly are. You have set such a bad example of how people should act and treat one another. You have set such bad examples for your children and grandchildren. You are all embarrassments to NE PA.
what is your challenge? what would you like from me or others? I don’t read everyone’s comments on this site— not sure what you want from us?
sorry, to see you are so upset — and feel we are so bad–
I’am not sorry nor will we ever be! Embrassment? GETTHEFACTS? you should talk ………CLEAN IT UP! WHY DONT THE ANIMALS DRINK IT?because IT MAKES THIER FUR FALL OUT! now you shut up.
Naturally occurring??? I don’t think so.
http://thetimes-tribune.com/news/gas-drilling/shaky-streambed-in-bradford-county-tied-to-stray-methane-1.1322543
I notice you ignore the part about “a definitive conclusion has not been reached.” Isn’t that interesting?
No part was ignored. It always comes down to them stating that it’s naturally occurring.